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	<title>Comments on: The 2004 Stella Awards</title>
	<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/</link>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-55</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm wondering if any morons believe the cases mentioned are actually real.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if any morons believe the cases mentioned are actually real.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-54</link>
		<author>ian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-54</guid>
		<description>get real how?  By telling you what I already posted above, which is that "The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit"."?  I personally don't drink coffee, or any other hot beverages, so the chances of me burning my pisser are slim to none.  

My point here isn't that Stella Liebeck wasn't injured.  I'm sure she WAS injured.  My point is that McDonald's was not liable for her injury.  The coffee was no hotter than it had been on previous occasions when she ordered it, and contrary to popular belief, the lid was not placed on the cup loosely.  She spilled it as she was trying to get the lid off to add condiments.  Please, explain to me how McDonald's is liable for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get real how?  By telling you what I already posted above, which is that &#8220;The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at &#8220;between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction&#8221; and drunk &#8220;immediately&#8221;. If not drunk immediately, it should be &#8220;maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit&#8221;.&#8221;?  I personally don&#8217;t drink coffee, or any other hot beverages, so the chances of me burning my pisser are slim to none.  </p>
<p>My point here isn&#8217;t that Stella Liebeck wasn&#8217;t injured.  I&#8217;m sure she WAS injured.  My point is that McDonald&#8217;s was not liable for her injury.  The coffee was no hotter than it had been on previous occasions when she ordered it, and contrary to popular belief, the lid was not placed on the cup loosely.  She spilled it as she was trying to get the lid off to add condiments.  Please, explain to me how McDonald&#8217;s is liable for that.</p>
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		<title>By: burtlikko</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-53</link>
		<author>burtlikko</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-53</guid>
		<description>Get real, ian.  205 degrees is seven degrees shy of BOILING.  Let's see you heat up some water to 205 degrees (be sure to measure it with a thermometer now), and then drink it "immediately."  If that experiment doesn't sound appealing to you, then go ahead and pour that 205 degree liquid ON YOUR GENITALS.  Then you'd be re-creating the Stella Liebeck experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real, ian.  205 degrees is seven degrees shy of BOILING.  Let&#8217;s see you heat up some water to 205 degrees (be sure to measure it with a thermometer now), and then drink it &#8220;immediately.&#8221;  If that experiment doesn&#8217;t sound appealing to you, then go ahead and pour that 205 degree liquid ON YOUR GENITALS.  Then you&#8217;d be re-creating the Stella Liebeck experience.</p>
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		<title>By: sassy1</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-52</link>
		<author>sassy1</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great stories!</description>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-51</link>
		<author>ian</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-51</guid>
		<description>as matter of fact, I have read about the case.  Obviously you have not, to the same degree. 

All the following info can be found with a google search, which you neglected to perform before commenting.

A.  Stella was not driving the car. Her grandson was.  She spilled the coffee after stopping to add sugar and cream.  

B. The "extremely harsh fine" you refer to was $640,000.  Quoth the site: "While Stella was awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages, this amount was reduced by 20 percent (to $160,000) because the jury found her 20 percent at fault. Where did the rest of the $2.9 million figure in? She was awarded $2.7 million in punitive damages -- but the judge later reduced that amount to $480,000, or three times the "actual" damages that were awarded."

C. The amount of burns documented by Stella's lawyers in 10 years of McDonald's operation amounted to 1 cup in 24 MILLION which caused a burn.  23,999,999 managed to escape without months of therapy.

D. "The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit"."


Next time, perhaps YOU should look into things deeper before making an ass of yourself on someone's website.  At least you had the cowardly foresight not to leave a name or email address, you liberals are good at that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as matter of fact, I have read about the case.  Obviously you have not, to the same degree. </p>
<p>All the following info can be found with a google search, which you neglected to perform before commenting.</p>
<p>A.  Stella was not driving the car. Her grandson was.  She spilled the coffee after stopping to add sugar and cream.  </p>
<p>B. The &#8220;extremely harsh fine&#8221; you refer to was $640,000.  Quoth the site: &#8220;While Stella was awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages, this amount was reduced by 20 percent (to $160,000) because the jury found her 20 percent at fault. Where did the rest of the $2.9 million figure in? She was awarded $2.7 million in punitive damages &#8212; but the judge later reduced that amount to $480,000, or three times the &#8220;actual&#8221; damages that were awarded.&#8221;</p>
<p>C. The amount of burns documented by Stella&#8217;s lawyers in 10 years of McDonald&#8217;s operation amounted to 1 cup in 24 MILLION which caused a burn.  23,999,999 managed to escape without months of therapy.</p>
<p>D. &#8220;The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at &#8220;between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction&#8221; and drunk &#8220;immediately&#8221;. If not drunk immediately, it should be &#8220;maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Next time, perhaps YOU should look into things deeper before making an ass of yourself on someone&#8217;s website.  At least you had the cowardly foresight not to leave a name or email address, you liberals are good at that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: patchouli emanator (spelled properly this time!)</title>
		<link>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-50</link>
		<author>patchouli emanator (spelled properly this time!)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ianmassey.com/2004/09/24/the-2004-stella-awards/#comment-50</guid>
		<description>Have you ever even read about the case of Stella Liebeck? Obviously not.

Liquid at 190 degrees, such as freshly poured McDonald's coffee, causes 3rd degree burns which burns human flesh to the bone. Stella's legs were burned to the bone. She had to have months of intensive therapy just to be able to walk again. 

If I recall correctly, Stella did not even spill the coffee on herself. It was spilled on her by the server handing it to her.

She initially wrote nicely to McDonald's simply asking them to pay her medical bills. When they refused, she was forced to take them to court. 

Because this had happened in the past and McDonald's refused to lower their temperature to a more reaonable 160 (which is what Starbucks serves at), the jury decided to punish them with an extremely harsh fine. 

Next time, why don't you look into things a bit deeper? Oh yeah, because people like you generally don't care enough. 

Tell me the part about the black prison population again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever even read about the case of Stella Liebeck? Obviously not.</p>
<p>Liquid at 190 degrees, such as freshly poured McDonald&#8217;s coffee, causes 3rd degree burns which burns human flesh to the bone. Stella&#8217;s legs were burned to the bone. She had to have months of intensive therapy just to be able to walk again. </p>
<p>If I recall correctly, Stella did not even spill the coffee on herself. It was spilled on her by the server handing it to her.</p>
<p>She initially wrote nicely to McDonald&#8217;s simply asking them to pay her medical bills. When they refused, she was forced to take them to court. </p>
<p>Because this had happened in the past and McDonald&#8217;s refused to lower their temperature to a more reaonable 160 (which is what Starbucks serves at), the jury decided to punish them with an extremely harsh fine. </p>
<p>Next time, why don&#8217;t you look into things a bit deeper? Oh yeah, because people like you generally don&#8217;t care enough. </p>
<p>Tell me the part about the black prison population again?</p>
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